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Webinar: ‘How to Be a Healthy, Happy Human’ – An Interview with Dan Miller: Internationally Renowned Nutrition & Fitness Expert

Thursday March 24, 2022
2:00 pm - 3:00 pm
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Murray Resources has partnered with our sister company, ResumeSpice, to bring you the following free webinar: ‘How to Be a Healthy, Happy Human’ – An Interview with Dan Miller: Internationally Renowned Nutrition & Fitness Expert

About Dan Miller:

An internationally-renowned nutrition and fitness expert, Dan Miller has been awarded the prestigious Vistage International Speaker of the Year.

Dan’s strategies have been embraced by executives world-wide; helping them live longer and healthier lives, reduce healthcare costs, and achieve greater personal and workplace productivity.

A 30-year veteran of the martial arts, Dan is also a former Guinness World Endurance Record holder for the 48-hour treadmill marathon event. Dan hold Masters degrees in Business Administration, Strategic Leadership, and Project Management.

 

 

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Keith Wolf:

Welcome to the, my one live podcast. I’m Keith Wolf. I’m the managing director of Murray resources. I’m also the CEO of resume spice. So Murray resources is a recruiting firm based here in Houston, Texas doing national searches and resume spice is a national career coaching and resume writing service. So the two companies have combined to bring you this podcast. It’s called my one life. And if you’ve missed any episode, you can go back and you can listen@myonelifepodcast.com. So we focus on areas to help professionals develop their life and their careers. This episode though is a little different. So if you’ve been listening for some time, you know, from previous previous episodes that we talk about networking and hiring and building a winning culture and developing your career and how to get ahead of work.

Keith Wolf:

We’ve interviewed CEOs and leadership management experts, remote work experts, even presidents of NFL teams, podcasts, info lurs and everyone in between. But today you could actually argue, this is our most important podcast yet because this one is a hundred percent about your health. And before you say, oh boy, another lecture about eating well and exercising. I get it. I listened to all the podcasts on health and I, I read the books. I, I read the mag magazines, I’ve done triathlons. I’ve, I’ve thought I knew a lot. And, and all that’s important, you know, diet and exercise, but we’re gonna get into so much more than that. And if you’ve always wondered, okay, who can help me cut through all the clutter that I hear? I believe today’s guest will do that for you. A little teaser. We’re gonna talk about it at the end of the podcast.

Keith Wolf:

I, I saw Dan Miller today’s guest. I saw him speak at our company retreat a couple months ago, and I went in thinking, oh, well, you know, the group’s gonna get a lot out of this and turns out, not only did they get a lot out of it, I lost 20 pounds since he spoke. And for me, those are 20 pounds or something I’ve been working on for a long time. So I, I know what he talked about works. I know that it’s stuff that is really actionable. So I’m very excited to share his wisdom with you. And we’re not only gonna talk about sort of the basics we’re gonna get into what world class athletes and billionaires do, right? What do they, they have access to everything in the world, every resource you can imagine, what are they doing? And what can we learn from that?

Keith Wolf:

So a quick bio Dan Dan is an internationally renowned nutrition and fitness expert, developing health and wellness program for all walks of life, from executives to professional fighters. And everyone in between Dan’s flexibility is paramount for him to push the discussion of dieting to one of vibrant longevity without disease or, or disorder. He has presented his strategies to tens of thousands of executives worldwide, helping them live longer and healthier lives, reduce healthcare costs and achieve greater personal and workplace productivity. Dan’s engaging. Interactive style has inspired thousands to achieve permanent life changing results. He’s been named Vista international speaker showcase in 2018. He was awarded the Vista international speaker of the year. His programs are based on modern medical science in our evolutionary past. They target longevity with less disease as their primary goal. And they’re designed to permanently end dieting and allow the body to heal as nature intended.

Keith Wolf:

In addition to being a world leader in nutrition and fitness, he’s a 35 year veteran of the martial arts. These practice coach to study many disciplines, including Jisu kickboxing and TaeKwonDo and physical feats are no strangers. Dan is also former Inness world record holder for the 48 hour treadmill marathon event. He holds three master degrees in business administration, and he, his education transcends hand sends nutrition, allowing him to identify with the challenges based by today’s executives. He reads an average of a hundred books a year, so we don’t have to. And he’s an entrepreneur adventure scientist, speaker Marshall artist, super diver, ultra runner, mentor, business owner, writer, and father. Ooh. Okay. We got through that. I feel super lazy, not accomplished, but thank you Dan, for being here.

Dan Miller:

Well, I appreciate you and I wanna make sure your listeners understand. I only work half days. I’m not as busy as my, my background sounds so,

Keith Wolf:

Okay.

Dan Miller:

Purposely fairly clean and easy. And I have the luxury of doing that now after, after working 75 hours a week for decades, not something to brag about, but that’s what it took to get here. Now I can work three hours a day and call it. Okay.

Keith Wolf:

Love that. Well, let’s, let’s start there. So you could do a lot of different things and you have done a lot of different things, not a word that I’ve seen you use, but you know, health and fitness guru. I mean, how did you get to this point of why did you choose this and is your life’s work?

Dan Miller:

Yeah. You don’t hear me use the word guru cuz I don’t even know half of what’s out there to know. So I’m always learning, but I do what I do now. I, I mean I’ve spent time on pharmaceuticals. I’ve spent time in manufacturing. I’ve spent time in the oil fields of North Dakota in vows and fittings. I’ve done all kinds of things. And I have three masters is in business. So I’m fairly flexible in that route. But about 10 years ago, I met a, a gentleman who is still today, my mentor in the health and wellness space. And he simply asked me at an event he was speaking at, Hey Dan, how come you’re not teaching this? You’re a really good instructor. And I took that as a whisper. And, and the way I explained things to especially to kids is look, you’re gonna hear some whispers on occasion.

Dan Miller:

And if you don’t listen to the whispers of the universe, you’re gonna have to listen to her screaming later on. And that’s how I look at health too. I’m a whisperer. If people meet me, let’s not wait for the screen, which might be that first heart attack. So I listened to the whisper of here’s a, a very successful globally renowned health expert saying, Dan, you should do what I do. So I leaned into that and started studying as much as I could got a bunch of certifications and health and nutrition and, and wellness and exercise. And now I read about a hundred books of you’re on that subject. I’m not out there reading Harry Potter. I’m reading about how the human machine works so that I can help people dial in their machine to live longer, better, faster, less disease. So, but I do it as, as an homage to my dead father. My dad died at 56 and I’ve taken it upon myself at, at 51 years old today. If I can stop one person from dying, like my dad, that’s why I’m here. And that’s why I woke up today. So it feels better that way than working in pharmaceuticals where the, the thing just sell more stuff. Yeah.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. This is, this is a, obviously a purpose, bigger purpose. Well, let’s start with, let’s start with diet. And I know even that word, you know, you try to get away from, from the word diet and, but you know, what are some of the mistakes people make just in their philosophy or approach to what they eat? You know, even what foods do people think are healthy. That aren’t kinda, how, how are we thinking about it and how should we be thinking about it?

Dan Miller:

Well, I like to break it down to something so, so easy for us to understand, because if we just look at what we are, and this is where we’ve forgotten, maybe it’s because we’re too busy to remember. Maybe it’s because our ego gets in the way. And we think, well, no, we’re not. We’re better than, but we are nothing more than a take ay wet, delicious bag of meat that belongs outside with all the other animals. So if we, if we just use strict Darwinian evolution, our entire multi-million year evolutionary past was spent outside. We would find what we could eat outside. And we eat that. If there wasn’t food available, we wouldn’t eat. So, and it was a, a matter of if there was food, eat it, eat it all, eat it right now. And if there wasn’t food, okay, we’ll be fine.

Dan Miller:

But we better search for food as quickly as possible. It’s a survival mechanism. So I ask people to, to just take a look at what we suck, what we weren’t programmed to do. And then if an industry is telling you to do those things know that you’re going to fail. It’s just inevitable. When we look at diet failure rates, they’re 97% that five years or less, most diets don’t even last a year and people fail and they fail because diets, typical diets will ask you to do things. You are not programmed to do. One of those things being count calories. You’re not programmed to count calories. It’s hard to count calories when you don’t even know how many calories you’re gonna burn later today. And you, if you exceed this energy balance by 50 or a hundred calories a day, oops, I ate a hundred more calories today.

Dan Miller:

If you do that for 30 days in a row, you’re magically gaining a pound without even knowing it. And a hundred calories is nothing. It’s a couple of bites of a really tasty, delicious ribeye steak. And all of a sudden you’ve gone too far. So we count calories. We measure portions, which again, we’re horrible at. We’re just horrible at measuring portions. And then most diets will say, just have everything you want. Just do it in moderation. And humans are notoriously horrible at moderation as well. And if, if somebody’s listening, doesn’t believe me, Hey, pick some French fries and tell me how you do just eat a couple. I dare, right? I mean, wasn’t it. Lay’s potato chips that had a whole marketing campaign around that you can’t eat just one. Yeah. Yeah. You can’t eat just one. No way. It’s not gonna work. I can’t eat just one.

Dan Miller:

If you give me a potato chip, I’m having the whole damn bag. So we suck at things that were, we have to do to be successful in a diet. And it’s just not true what we have to do to be successful in a diet and keep a good emotional relationship with living in this country, which is amazing because the food is great is we have to most of the time and I mean, 95 of the time we have to choose foods. That’ll do the hard stuff for us. So if I were to say, what foods will regulate caloric consumption for me, it’s probably not gonna be ice cream or French fries. It’s probably going to be things like celery and carrots and snap peas, some green beans and raspberries, good luck hurting yourself with any of the plants, because nature’s got a way of stopping you from hurting yourself with her foods.

Dan Miller:

And the plants are always the first one I go to because they’re the slowest. And, and if people have forgotten this humans are pathetically slow in. We go outside. And just as a challenge, I would dare anyone listening to go, try to catch any animal outside with your bare hands. I wanna watch, I wanna see the video. It’s hilarious, right? Even the butterflies are giggling at us when we try to catch ’em without a net. So we suck. We suck at catching stuff. So why not eat the plants first? They’re slow. They don’t bite back. They’re non migratory. We can grow ’em in our backyard. And then if there aren’t, if there aren’t plants available, we eat the animal family. We’ve been eating animals for most of our evolutionary past. We we’ve had fire for 800,000 plus years as humans we’ve been cooking our meat for a long, long time.

Dan Miller:

We had early technology in the form of Spears and rocks so that we could even the score a little bit and get at the top of the food chain instead of being in the middle. So we’ve been eating animals and plants for millions of years, animals. It turns out regulate calories really well for you because protein, that macronutrient is one of the macronutrients. And it’s the one that fills you up the quickest. So protein fills you up very fast. If you’re trying to lose weight and you suck at doing it, just make sure you have copious amounts of protein at every meal. And if you do have a plan plant on your plate, make sure it’s got boat loads of fiber because fiber in the plant world is what slows us down from hurting ourselves. And the example I always give Keith is it’s so easy. Look, if you wanna just try this challenge, I would love somebody to send me more videos of this because it’s hilarious to watch, but I wanna watch someone eat six donuts in one sitting, and I’m gonna time it and see how fast you can do it because that’s about 2000 calories. Right? So how long would that take you Keith? Six donuts.

Keith Wolf:

I mean few minutes. I mean, I can just mow him down yeah.

Dan Miller:

Less than minutes, right? Yes. For sure. 2000 calories. A eight minutes, for sure. But the challenge I put forth, you can send that video. I like that. That’s funny. I wanna watch the video of you doing that with celery or carrots. Yeah. Because if you try it with carrots to get to 2000 calories, you need 10.5 pounds. It is typically impossible to eat 10 and a half pounds of food in one sitting. If it’s carrots luck, that’s why the professional eating competitions don’t have you do that with carrots cuz you can’t Dole those in one bite, you need to chew and chew and chew. And then all of a sudden your jog gets tired and might even lock up. You’re gonna have all kinds of problems. And that’s the same with raspberries is nine and a quarter pounds of raspberries to get to 2000 calories.

Dan Miller:

If somebody were to send that video, it’s gonna look like a crime scene before they’re done. And they will find out very, very quickly that the fiber, that nature put in your way when you’re eating her foods it’s also gonna make it look like a crime scene in the bathroom because it will it catch up with you, right? Yeah. You can’t overeat the plants. It’s almost impossible. And it’s very, very tough. If you’re eating lean chicken breasts to get to 2000 calories as well or a white fish, I mean go cook up some Caribbean grouper and see if do 2000 calories. It’s gonna be really hard. Yeah. I ask people if you never want a diet again, if you want weight loss to just be a, a thing that happens by accident, switch your diet to primarily the five plant categories plus anything made of an animal or it’s egg.

Dan Miller:

I, I hope that you guys are staying away from breast milk. If you’re not a baby, you don’t need breast milk so we could leave that one alone. I I’m not, I don’t pick on people too much if they got a little bit of goat cheese or sheep cheese, but let’s leave the breast milk alone. And let’s stick with the five plant categories, which are fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, and legumes, and then anything with a face or a family or the egg of something that has a face or a family. And we’re gonna be great. Those calories are all gonna self-regulate. You can eat those pretty much whenever you want to. You can, you’re not gonna hurt yourself with them. And then on occasion, right, what we do in our house is a couple of days a month. You have whatever you want to keep a good emotional relationship with auntie Annie’s pretzels. You have auntie Annie’s pretzels once a month, maybe twice. And when you put that kind of food in front of you, when you order a pizza, you have permission then because it’s your feast day to eat it all, eat it all without guilt, eat it all without moving, just like nature program need to do. Just shove it all in there, have all of the brownies, the whole pan. And if your listeners put weed in their brownies, great, then have two pan, whatever you wanna

Keith Wolf:

Do,

Dan Miller:

Like you have permission in this country to eat. It’s if you choose foods like French fry and cheese sticks and brownies and pizza, that don’t regulate calories for you, you’re gonna run into problems with extra weight. That’s just how it works. And if somebody’s still doubting, if that’s how that works, go ahead and start feeding your dog the same food you feed yourself and tell me how quickly your dog becomes obese. Hmm. You that’s what happens. So

Keith Wolf:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that’s yeah, I mean, it really is hard. I eat a lot of carrots, a lot of carrots, but I, I, yeah. When you say 10 pounds, I, I don’t think I could do that. I think I would, I would give up a little bit before that. Let, let’s talk related to diet you know, the different, I don’t know if you call ’em diets, but you know, and you know, Atkins that used to be popular, you know, a vegan diet, which, you know, people have different reasons for that and not all of them are, are personal health related, but just sticking to just the health related aspects of each of those and, and, and others. How do you feel about those when you hear ’em? I, you know, are there any that, you know, you would say are, are healthier than others, kinda, what’s your thought there?

Dan Miller:

Well, we’re all, there’s almost 8 billion of us on the planet now and we’re all over the biologically different. So some people will respond very, very well to a heavy vegetable and plant based diet. Some people will respond very, very well to a primarily carnivore type diet with maybe some berries sprinkled in to get their brain a little bit extra sugar. So I tell you what there, and there’s diet wars out there, but here’s what makes the most logical sense to me is that if everyone can just agree, no matter where you live to do three things with your diet, okay, primarily plants and animals. That’s the no 95% of your diet should be plants and animals. And then we do three things with that. We do local, we do seasonal and as organic as your wallet will allow, right? A lot of people can’t afford organic.

Dan Miller:

Good. Don’t worry so much about that. If you’ve got plants and animals in your cart, if they are local and seasonal, you will most likely fare better in your attempt at staying healthy. And the reason for that is the folks that I know in Northern Iceland, it is nearly impossible for them to be vegan simply because local seasonal and, and organic, there’s no fruits. There’s not even a lot of vegetables or nuts and seeds in the winter. So good luck being a vegan and Iceland. And I know we’ve got transport. I know we’ve got modern technology. The problem is the carbon footprint of getting bananas to Northern Iceland will be much greater than that person. Just simply going out and fishing and grabbing a fish right out of their own backyard. Iceland surrounded by ocean and there’s fish all over in it. So maybe a Northern Icelandic person will have to eat a different diet than someone living in Southern California.

Dan Miller:

That’s okay. There’s nothing wrong with that. I just ask people to, if you’re eating vegan and you’re doing vegan rice, crispy bars and vegan pizza and vegan, French fries, that’s still not healthy. So let’s, I tell people to strip the labels off, ask yourself if I were to shut the power off. If I just turned the grid off, what are you gonna eat in the next six months? Cause we maybe got six months of canned goods somewhere in some of the stores. But then the, the fact of the matter is we will hunt and gather. And that’s what we’ll eat and hunting and gathering is going to be radically different in the Arizona desert. Then it will up here in Minnesota where I live. Yeah. So local seasonal, organic, if you can afford it, plants and animals, and then realize this. If your pocket book is a little light, animals are expensive.

Dan Miller:

So switch to a mostly plant diet than because it’s much, much cheaper to buy carrots and celery and, and dried beans and cook those up and get a bunch of your protein from the plants. There’s nothing wrong with that. Not quite as bio available as the animal protein, but if somebody’s on a budget, heck my oldest son did an experiment where he could do a full array of macronutrients and micronutrients to keep a human alive full, or for five 80 a day. It was almost all plants and non-organic, it was like two 50 at three bucks a day to, to get all over 2000 calories a day for $3 a day. But it was all plants and it was a fairly bland diet yeah. Were able to do that and a full micronutrient profile, all the vitamins and mineral rules. It’s really not that difficult. We’re being sold a lie that it is difficult because somebody’s always trying to sell us something. Yeah. And all I want people to realize is you don’t need to be sold. Anything. You need a garden in your backyard and something to hunt some animals with, if you choose to. And you’re good to go.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. Yeah. I, I was, I was vegan for about 18 months and the number one question I got was, are you getting enough protein? I mean, people who I didn’t know, or I don’t think they ever cared. What I put into my mouth suddenly were very invested whether I was getting enough protein. So I was, I always thought that was fun. And then when I found out that Oreos were vegan, I was absolutely thrilled. Like you said, just because it’s vegan or vegetarian doesn’t mean it’s healthy. And so, yeah, I I ate quite a few Oreo sleeves during that period. Let’s, let’s transition over to exercise for a second. So we’re gonna cover the basics. We’re we’re doing the diet, you know, and, and people probably got a lot of new information. They had to consider it and now let’s go over to exercise. And of course, you know, we should be running, you know, three hours a day. If we had time, we should be lifting two hours. We should be stretching for an hour. That would be great. Nobody has time for that anymore. Right. So what are some of the basics that we should consider that everybody listening is extremely busy? I’m sure there’s people who say I don’t have enough time to exercise at all. I don’t think that’s true, but let’s just say, okay, what are the basics? What should we make sure we do?

Dan Miller:

Yeah. So back in 1960, there was a Japanese speedometer company that wanted to sell pedometers and they made up a number and they said, go move, go move 10,000 steps today. That’s a made up number from a Japanese marketing company in 1960s. So but I I’ll tell you it’s 2022. And I still talk about that number. And here’s why Dr. Lee published a study in the journal of American medical association back in 2019, this was an observational study done in women with a mean age of 72. So she studied well over 16,000 women for seven days, followed them around, tracked their average steps for seven days. Keep in mind. These were 72 year old women and she looked at movement. And what she found when she started comparing groups, she looked at all cause mortality over the next four to five years. So she observed them put ’em in a group based on their average movement, and then watched how they died in the next five years. And what she found the results were published in the most mainstream medical journal on the planet. And it’s fascinating to me that we’re not talking about this on mainstream media, because what Dr. Lee found is that women who moved 4,700 steps a day, versus those who moved 2,400 steps a day, had a 42% less likelihood of all cause death.

Dan Miller:

So Keith, if I were to tell you, there’s a pill that we give to 70 year olds. And when we give them this pill, they’re 42% less likely to die. And the side effect is nothing. How many people do you think would be popping that pill? Yeah, everybody, a billion dollar, if not a trillion dollar drug worldwide, because there’s no side effects. Yeah. So listen, it’s observational, right? It’s correlative, not causative. And I get all of this all the time from folks. Well, that’s just observational. Of course, people who can move more, will move more and they have less disease. And that’s why they live longer. But look, here’s the fact of the matter. There’s no downside risk in doubling your movement. None at all. She found numbers keep going lower and lower and mortality as she got up to about 7,500 steps a day, and then the data apply.

Dan Miller:

So if we’re looking at clinical data on how much should a human move and we want a good correlative study that was done in 16,000 people over five years, it’s 7,500 steps a day. That’s a really good start. Hey, I still like 10,000 because when I’m standing, I’m burning more calories. Yeah. When standing, I have less stress on my lower back. When I’m standing, I’m developing muscles in my legs and feet that help me age better because I have better muscles in my lower body. When I’m standing, I produce different hormones than when I’m sitting. So I might even be more productive. There’s all kinds of benefits, just standing up and moving more. And, and here’s how things used to work. Right? If we just go back a couple 10,000 years, we moved about 28,000 steps a day just to get the food and build the shelter and make sure everyone was safe.

Dan Miller:

So 28,000 steps a day might be a bit extreme when the average American is moving about 3000. So let’s just get everyone to agree. If you got an apple one close the damn ring, it closes that 10,000. Let’s go. It’s not that difficult. If and focus on this, you have a standing desk at work. The science there is stand up for a half an hour, then sit down for half an hour, stand up for a half an hour, then sit down for a half an hour and repeat, eat that process until you go home. Most folks will find that number one, they have almost 10,000 steps before they even leave the office. And number two, they’re less likely to snack when they’re in the standing position. We naturally eat less food when we’re standing up it’s magic. Yeah. And burn way more calories. So weight loss for me happens in the foraging.

Dan Miller:

I call that foraging, are you guys it’s slow movement, right? Just make sure you got 10,000 steps and you know, you don’t have to go run. Yeah. Yeah. And then we hunt. So we forage and we hunt and hunting is fast, violent, explosive movement. And if folks forgot what that looks like, it’s built into humans. You can watch it in children. Before we tell children what to do for exercise. We simply watch them play outside and we will find periods of rest and then periods of bursting exercise in intervals. Well, now we call that Tabata workouts or high intensity interval training or orange theory, fitness or CrossFit, or, you know, what the Peloton people did, I think was genius. And, and not, you know, my conspiracy theory is always Peloton released the virus because look at their sales, it’s just too coincidental. But the Peloton people did something magic.

Dan Miller:

The, they took an at-home spin bike. And if you’re not familiar with what those used to look like in the eighties and nineties, that’s where you hung your clothes because nobody used them. They buy ’em with good intentions. And three months later, they were a close rack. Well, what Peloton did is slap a screen on the front, put a tribal support network in there and said, don’t be last. And people use ’em daily, or at least three times a week because we do better when there’s tribal support when we’re moving fast. Yeah. So what I advise my clients and what I would advise anyone listening to this is forage daily, make sure your watch or your ring or whatever you to track your movement says at least 10,000 steps a day. That should be your 9 1 1 minimum before you go to bed. And then three times a week, maybe two times a week, grab a group of friends and go to a class where you have to move fast in intervals, whether that’s CrossFit or orange theory, or, you know, go join lifetime fitness and go do the class called drip. I dare ya. It’s hilarious to watch how people look when they’re done with a class called drip hint, you’re sweaty and gross. And it’s amazing.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. I I, yeah, I’ve become, I mean, anyone who knows me, I mean, Peloton absolutely fanatic. Right. And I, I never really thought I would like it. I heard people talk about it, but it’s something about having that screen and, and being motivated by that, you know, that by that person on the screen telling you what to do, and it’s just, it’s hard to describe, not that we’re a commercial for Peloton or these other things, but it does make a big difference. Yeah. And the 28,000 steps. So that’s, that’s, that’s a lot, I wouldn’t wanna do that. That’s like a, that’s like a day at Disney. That’s too much. Yeah.

Dan Miller:

Well, it’s Disney, that’s, that’s a blast, but it gets weird. Right,

Keith Wolf:

Right. Right. Every

Dan Miller:

Day like that every

Keith Wolf:

Day. So that’s, so the that’s great that that’s a perfect sort of baseline. Right? So exercise, diet, I wanna, I wanna get into to some, some other stuff that I think is maybe a little bit more advanced that not everybody thinks about all the time, but maybe, maybe they do. And as I told Dan, kind of, when we were talking before recording, you don’t need me. Right. You could talk about whatever, you know, you could do an hour by yourself and completely mesmerized everybody. But I, you know, it’s, I’ve gotta, I’ve gotta be here and ask the question to, to tee you up to tee you up for what I think the audience is, is really gonna love. The, the first thing is, is fasting. You know, a lot has been said about intermittent fasting and for how long you fast, how you do it. And it’s just, you know, a lot of people are, are comfort converts to it. Give us your thoughts on it, how you would recommend going about it for people who have never done it before, or maybe those that have.

Dan Miller:

Yeah. Well, so you guys intermittent fasting is called a diet fad, right? And, and I don’t like fad diets, but let me, let me break this down for you. 10,000 years ago, intermittent fasting was called waking up and having to go get your own damn food before you’d shove it in your mouth. And then you’d eat a couple of meals and then it’s time to get to bed and, and move back and, and, and do more movement again tomorrow before you eat. So intermittent fasting was humans before refrigeration, and maybe even humans before a cereal company told us breakfast is the most important meal of the day. A lot of people forgot that that’s where that came from. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day is not what grandma and grandpa used to tell you. It’s a cereal company that told you that because they had something to sell.

Dan Miller:

So intermittent for fasting is simply delaying that first meal for a period of time to allow your body to burn a little bit more body fat and clean up and repair. So this is how the machine works, right? I woke up in a $50 million machine made out of meat and water. It’s amazing. This thing’s gonna last me 130 years on 51. I got 79 more years to go, come with. I’ll show you that it is possible because it is, we know this, right? So this thing, when I don’t put food in my mouth hole eats itself. Now let’s just think for a second. That sounds weird, but is that possible to happen? Right. So if I were to go out in Minnesota here into the woods and put extreme food pressure on the deer population who dies first, the weak deer or the strong deer, it’s always the weak, the weak dies first.

Dan Miller:

So when I put food pressure on my eye system, my body will have to go and find things to make new cells. And it’s gonna pick on the weak and the dying, the esent cells, those cells that aren’t really viable to keep us moving forward tomorrow. If I never do that, and I always keep jam food in here, it’s never going to have the same opportunity until I’m sleeping to calm some of that stuff down. And what, what I tell people is when the janitors come out, when you’re sleeping, they come out and clean up and repair. Well, if I don’t put food in for the first three hours while I’m awake, it does the same thing. It’s still cleaning up and repairing. And, and I delay breakfast till one o’clock most days. So for me, I usually have a six hour feeding window. Meaning breakfast happens at one and dinner happens at seven, the other 18 hours while I’m awake or the eight while I’m sleeping, right, 10 while I’m awake eight, while I’m sleeping, my body’s just eating itself.

Dan Miller:

It’s burning the fat. So it’s a great way to, to help your body burn a little bit more fat is stop putting so much damn food in there. And then it’s cleaning up the weak and the dying. So it ramps up cellular OTO, which is that clean up and repair of weakened dying cells. It’s a great boost for the immune response, because then my immune system doesn’t have to struggle through all of that noise that some of those esent cells might be making. It’s not actual noise, but it might be chemical noise that it has to fight through. And it lowers some inflammation responses. And the reason a lot of people have such great results with it. It’s because it’s naturally calorically restrictive, right? I’m just eating two meals in a six hour window instead of three meals and three snacks in a 14 hour window, it’s radically different.

Dan Miller:

So you’re not gonna break your metabolism. It’s very hard to break. And now some people can, right. I’m massively calorically restrict for months at a time. And then all of a sudden I slow my metabolic rate down. That happens, but it’s, it’s not that easy to do if we just pay attention. When this thing is screaming for you to eat shove food in there, make sure it’s plants and animals. Okay. And then if you’re not hungry, you don’t have to shove food in there. I don’t wake up starving. So I don’t put food in my body is just taking of itself. I’ll put a little coffee in in the morning. Sometimes I put something in my coffee, some collagen protein, but we keep the calories under 50 calories in our coffee. So we’re not putting that much stuff in there. And then you’re good. And, and if you guys wanna read a book on that, the best book you’ll ever read on that is the longevity diet by vault or long go. He’s still doing research on longevity at the so Institute in Southern California, beautiful human being wonderful book on stop eating, so damaged food and some of the awesome physiological effects that happen when you do that, when you shorten your feeding window and when you just lean into two meals a day instead of six.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah, that was actually one of my questions. So I, I hear people ask it all the time, right? Is it better to eat multiple small meals a day or a couple of larger meals a day? Or, I mean, maybe that’s thinking about it the wrong way, small, big, and how many, but is there a thought behind that? I mean, what, what do you describe to,

Dan Miller:

So I can speed up metabolic rate. I feeding you every two hours. I’m gonna feed you tiny meals every two hours, and that’s gonna really ramp up your metabolic rate, but that’s great. That’ll be great for weight loss, but what’s that doing for longevity? Mm, and, and my my concern is always, it’s not just about weight loss. It’s about how do I get you to the finish line, making the finish line out to 110 years old instead of 78 and dying of a heart attack, right? This thing can look really, really good with an intermittent fasting protocol, or it can look really, really good with 14 hours a day eating every two to three hours, which one of those makes you a slave to food.

Keith Wolf:

Got it, got

Dan Miller:

It. Now I’m a slave to meals that sucks. It’s okay. Some people will wanna do that if they’re trying to stack on huge amounts of muscle. Yeah. Some people will do that. If they’re going into a bikini competition, great follow, whatever that person’s advice is, that’s training you through it. But know from a longevity standpoint, from a human longevity standpoint, if I can affect positively the insulin pathway by eating less food, specifically sugar there. And if I can affect positively the mTOR pathway, which is a protein pathway, if I can positively affect those, I can live longer. And that studies studies are done. They’ve done some beautiful studies in roundworms where they’ve actually had some. Now we’re not roundworms, right? We’re way more complicated, but we can actually cleave genes off of roundworms where we have that technology. They’ve been able to extend the life of roundworms by 900% by affecting insulin and mTOR.

Dan Miller:

Well, we have those same pathways and it turns out for longevity purposes. If we eat less in a smaller window, we affect those pathways naturally rather than having to always watch what we eat. Now, if you’re eating at fast food places, and it’s French fries at two meals in a six hour window, that’ll still have a positive effect, but I highly dis I wanna dissuade people from eating fast food in your feeding window, stick with plants and animals still you’ll find yourself just naturally eating less. Maybe put a snack in there if you need it. Right. Get some beef jerky or some healthy nuts, put a snack in there. If you have to have it. Yeah. Got it. Listen, get the mud machine will sometimes tell you, I don’t want steak today. So don’t get steak.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. Got it. Let’s let’s let’s talk about sleep. That’s something that, you know, seems like more and more books are coming out about it. Right? Ariana Huffington wrote a book about it and used to be, you know, the hustle culture was all about, Hey, look, how much work I can do, look how much I can do without my sleep. And I think people are a lot more aware of that, but talk about how, how do you think about sleep? How much sleep somebody should get, how they should track it? The importance of it.

Dan Miller:

Yeah. Well, sleep, lack of sleep is the number two weight gain in modern cities. So if somebody’s listening and they’re like, ah, I wish I could lose weight, stop relying on wishes and hopes and dreams for your health and are doing something about it. Proper sleep is gonna help you eat better, give you more energy to exercise tomorrow. It’s gonna help with your relationships and your productivity. So, so go to bed, try to schedule between seven and nine hours. We’re all different. Again, this is biological. Individuality plays a role here, but what I tell people is the best way to see how your you, Keith are supposed to sleep is to go camping in a tent for seven days. You tell me how sleep looks on day seven. I will tell you that’s how you’re supposed to be sleeping in regular life as well.

Dan Miller:

Because the circadian patterns that are set by nature, when, when this animal goes back outside, where it belongs, it all works itself out. And that’s a good way to just let’s figure out how we’re supposed to sleep. Because some people are night people and some people are morning people. I have a client who gets 48% deep sleep a night that that dude doesn’t need nine hours. He’s getting so much deep sleep that he wakes up in six and a half and feels amazing. Yeah. Great. Well, we wouldn’t know that if we weren’t tracking it. Yeah. Fitbit tracks it. The whoop tracks it. The apple watch garment, this ring, the U ring tracks, sleep great resources for that. So, so track your sleep. And if you’re getting huge amounts of deep sleep, look and see how you feel when you get up naturally after 7, 6, 7 hours, you, you might not need more than that.

Dan Miller:

But if you’re like me, I have some genetic variabilities that don’t allow good deep sleep. So when I go to sleep, I get maybe 11% deep sleep at night and that’s a good day. So I need closer to eight and a half or nine hours to feel as good as I possibly could. If I shorten that intentionally, because I’m go, I’ll sleep when I’m dead. It, the studies show that you’ll probably die sooner, right? It, they do. I mean the 20 year and 30 year observational studies on short sleepers are out there. I’m gonna refer to one that was published back in 2018 in a psychological journal. I just want folks to be aware of this if, if they have children or if they’re still a human as an adult, because our brains are still human. So there was a study done. They took 38,000 high school age students.

Dan Miller:

And they they looked at sleep patterns and suicide attempts. So 2018 in, in one of the most well known psychological journals, they published a study on suicide attempts in teenagers who slept only six hours versus their peers who slept eight. And what they found is six hour sleepers versus eight hour sleepers had 116% more like of attempting suicide. So the brain’s gonna be the first organ to suffer if we don’t go to bed. And if we don’t get at least eight hours now, some teenagers when their bones and muscles are growing, might need 11 or 12 hours of sleep. We gotta start listening to our bodies a little bit here, but it’s no different as adults. The brain still needs rest. It needs to clear some of the, from metabolizing sugar all day. And if we don’t give it a good seven to nine hours to do it, it’s probably not gonna function very well.

Dan Miller:

Especially as we age. Yeah. And the price we pay for that in the short term is eating more calories, unconsciously, not having the energy to work out and getting a little bit more testy with people, right? You don’t get eight hour as asleep and you’re a little harder to deal with. That’s how we all are. Yeah. Well go to bed and then you have all this energy to do this stuff. I love the fact that Matthew McConaughey, I I’ve heard him on a couple of podcasts. He brags about getting nine and a half hours of sleep. And I think with anyone that wants to be successful instead of bragging that you’re only getting six and that you’re a workaholic start bragging about the fact that you’re stupid, successful, and you get tons of sleep as well. It’s a better bragging point. It’s way healthier in the long run.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. I mean, we’re pretty Milant with our girls about sleep, but after I heard that statistic, you, you shared that at our at our event at our company. I mean, I, I went home, I know it’s, I know it’s six, o’clock get into bed, you know? I mean, it’s, it’s pretty, it’s pretty crazy. What a difference that makes, you know, especially for children the, one of the, one of the topics you talked about that really gave me an excuse to just what I thought was just a, a pamper and not something that you really need is saunas. Right. And so I, I would, you know, if I sit in a saunas, like, wow, what a, what a treat? I mean, I know I don’t really need this, but it feels so good. And what, and then you, you brought up, I mean, really the, the, the health benefits of saunas. So for anyone who’s interested in a sauna, just let, let us know the benefits.

Dan Miller:

Yeah. For Dr. Dr. Lakin and Finland published a, a wonderful, again, an observational study, but this is a 21 year long study where he looked at patients that, that sauna three times a week or sauna every day. And then he compared the three times a week or every day, sauna folks, two, his patients who didn’t sauna at all. And after adjusting the numbers for lifestyle factors, meaning people who sauna daily probably eat better exercise more, and don’t smoke as often as those who don’t sauna. So the numbers were adjusted downward. He was able to publish this 21 year study in the journal of American medical association that was published back in 2015. I’ve heard Dr. Lakin and on several podcasts, again, fascinating to listen to, but what he found after a 21 year follow up period in 46 to 71 year olds, right?

Dan Miller:

These are middle age, upper age. I’m not middle aged yet. I’m living to one 30. So I’m 51. I I’m not quite middle age age, but you know, these are people in their forties, fifties, sixties, and seventies, when they started the trial, they’re, they’re 21 years older than that when, when the observation period was done, but he found three times a week, sauna folks, versus those who didn’t sauna were on average, about 30%, less likely to die from cardiovascular death, about 20%, less likely to die from anything at all. And there was a 40% reduction in Alzheimer’s

Dan Miller:

And look, folks, there’s a new drug on the market for Alzheimer’s just to prove last year that I believe if I read the data correctly has about a 3% efficacy against Alzheimer’s. Here’s a study that took 21 years to complete published in the most mainstream medical journal on the planet. That’s got a 40% reduction, and that’s the small number, because those who sauna it daily, when compared with their peers who didn’t sauna showed right around a 50% reduction in cardiovascular death, a 40% reduction in death from anything including cancers and strokes and a, about a 65% reduction in Alzheimer’s.

Keith Wolf:

So why is, why is that what biologically is happening?

Dan Miller:

Yeah. Well, if, if we look at what happens when we sauna, we’re, we’re sitting in a super heated environment, that’s gonna force our bodies to vasodilate, and that vasodilation is gonna speed per nutrients to peripheral tissue and the brain being a primary peripheral tissue, right? It’s this far away from the heart, the feet being more peripheral tissue, the hands. So when I get more blood flow, I get more nutrients and that’s always a good idea. I also am able to clear more waste products when my blood vessels are wide open and they’re wide open, cuz my body’s trying to cool off. I’m also sweating when I’m that hot. When I’m in a sauna, I’m typically sweating. That means we’re clearing. Sweat is one of those biological pathways to get stuff out. And it turns out it’s a really good way to Keate some heavy metals, so we can sweat profusely and, and hopefully get rid of some extra heavy metals in our body that may not be cleared in our stool or in our urine.

Dan Miller:

A vasodilation is important because when I step out of the sauna, I slowly vasoconstrict. And if I do that every day, a vasodilate, then a vasoconstrict that leads to what they call vascular compliance. And basically it’s just your blood vessels have been doing yoga. So they’re more bendy and bendy blood vessels lead directly to less stroke and heart attack because they’re more pliable, they’re more compliant. So I have direct correlations there. Plus I’m burning calories, which helps with weight loss. That’s fantastic. I’m also burning most of those calories from sugar. So this is lowering overall gly glycemic load. And when we look at Dale, Bredesen’s work in Alzheimer’s, we’ll learn very, very quickly that Alzheimer’s is primarily a sugar disorder specifically in the brain because of the advanced gly in products that come from sugar metabolism. So if I can lower glycemic load, get more nutrients up there, clear more toxic waste get rid of some heavy metals that may be accumulating in the brain and be more vascularly compliant to reduce my stroke risk.

Dan Miller:

Well, all of that makes sense that we’d see less Alzheimer’s and, and less cardiovascular disease. The thing that people need to realize is that even certain cancer cells may react positively to extreme amounts of heat mean. If we look at say hyperthermic treatments for some certain types of tumors extreme heat can, can kill certain types of cancer cells. And I’ll tell you, I go into my infrared sauna and it’s extreme heat and that’s every morning, that’s what we do as part of our morning ritual to wake up because heat wakes a human up very, very quickly. So we go down and sit in the sauna, giant infrared light shining in our face, have some coffee after our shower when that is done. Life’s amazing. So I’m hoping, and, and I, I can’t wait to see some more hard data on this that that’s also going to lower overall lifetime cancer risk because we’re always putting heat pressure on the system and the healthy cells know what to do with heat pressure.

Dan Miller:

They’ve been, they they’re well adapted for you to live in the desert or for you to live in Northern Alaska. We’re, we’re very, very adaptable that way. In the short term, our body has come compensatory mechanisms to deal with extreme heat or extreme cold, the weak cells. Don’t the weak cells can’t adapt. The healthy cells can. So we, again, this is the same as food. If I put heat pressure on an animal animal population that lives outside, the weak will always die first. And if I can do that cellularly globally inside my body, I’m only leaving the strong when I step out of that sauna. So the stronger there and the weak are causing far less inflammatory problems in the long term because I just killed them. So I call sauna, kill the weak. And, and I also look at this as, look, if you’re, if you’re peeing every day and you’re pooping every day, then you should be sweating every day as well. Cuz it’s one of those primary pathways to get stuff out. So let’s go do that.

Keith Wolf:

Matthew McConaughy, I guess, is a guru. Cause you remember the, the sleep. And I remember from him, he says sweat every day. So yeah, he’s, he’s like our, our our Yoda you, you, I mean you, so you get up in the morning, you sauna, you drink coffee and I immediately go to, wow, he’s super dehydrated. Yeah. So, you know, is there water in there or kind of

Dan Miller:

Almost a liter of water in the sauna.

Keith Wolf:

Oh, do you? Okay. Yeah.

Dan Miller:

Yeah. You look your mitochondria that make your energy, you need hydrogen and oxygen. They have to have those two molecules or those little things that are inside your cells. Can’t make energy without hydrogen and oxygen. Yes. They’ll find a little bit of it when you drink your coffee, but really the best way to get hydrogen and oxygen in is when you combine it in a liquid form called water and you shove that in there. Hmm. So again, I always go back to the animal world and, and look outside and go, what does every animal on the planet drink? And it’s the only thing they drink. Why are we the ones going no diet. Coke’s just fine. Is it then give your dog diet Coke and let’s watch how quickly it becomes problematic for your dog.

Keith Wolf:

Right?

Dan Miller:

Dog coffee, every more in red wine every night. And let’s see how long that become. It’s gonna be a problem very quickly. And people forget that we’re 94%, the same genetic material as dogs, right. We’re different. But a lot of it’s the same. So if it’s negatively gonna affect our animals and we’re not doing that to them, why are we thinking that just cuz it doesn’t kill us right away. That is totally okay to do every single day. Right? I I’m fine with some coffee, I’m fine with some red wine, just make water, the primary beverage. And in the way I tell people is, look, it’s gonna take you about an hour to wake up. Anyway, that’s a natural process. You shouldn’t spring out a bed and be chirping like a bird. It takes humans about an hour to wake up well in that hour, put tons of water in there and you’ll wake up faster, sit in a really hot box and you’ll wake up faster because heat wakes a human up very quickly light in the red orange spectrum wakes a human up very quickly. So sit in a, a red light sauna, get some beautiful heat on your body, drink a bunch of water, hit the showers and then have your coffee. You’re already well hydrated and woken up before you shove the drugs in there. Yeah. And then drug is actually gonna act as a neutropic to help you function better instead of acting as just a, well, I need this to wake up. These are that one.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. Yeah. I’m guilty of a lot of what you’re saying. I, I need to drink a lot more water and a lot less coffee.

Dan Miller:

Last 20 pounds since I saw you. And I just, you guys, if you’re listening to this, I just found this out today. So I can’t wait until you tell people how, because first of all, if you met Keith, if he stands up, he didn’t look like he needed to lose 20 pounds. So the fact that you did awesome and, and I call of that accidental weight loss, because you didn’t look like you needed to lose 20. So I think that’s powerful.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah, no, I appreciate that. And I’ll, and like I said, I’ll share what I did. I, I don’t know that it works for other people, but definitely has been working for me and really has been easy. I, so, so saunas, you know, most think that’s a luxury but clear has benefits. Another, another thing that I think maybe people think is a luxury has got a lot of a lot of air time lately. And I think a lot of people who’ve even tried to struggle with it is meditation. Yeah. So, you know, how do you, how do you think about it? How important is it? Do you do it?

Dan Miller:

Yeah. Well this is really, so right now we’re sitting in this weird little brainwave state called beta brainwaves. And this is the brainwave state that kept humans alive outside because every eight to 28 seconds, you’re scanning for danger. Your brain’s leaving here. It’s thinking about something else. It’s, I’ve looked at the window and looked at my cute little nine month old puppy over here many, many times while I’ve been talking to this green light on my computer. So we’re just programmed to watch for danger. There goes some food. I should probably go get that. Or that might be a tiger. I better be on the lookout when we’re in that that state that’s normal for humans to operate most of the day. It’s very reactive and it’s kind of scattered and it’s hard to pay attention. Now, if I were to take you surfing and I suck it.

Dan Miller:

So surfing you guys, I, and the surfing in Minneapolis is horrible, right? So I have to go to California to surf, but if I were to go surfing with you, Keith, I guarantee you, you’re not in the beta brainwave state. When you’re on a wave, you will be in the alpha brainwave or what we call the meditative brainwave state, because you have to be because that’s what keeps you safe on a surf board. Or if somebody on this call or podcast is, is downhill skiing, you’re gonna be in an alpha state on the way down because that’s what keeps you safe when you’re on skis, headed down a mountain, or when you’re scuba diving or when, you know, I’ve got people that I talk to that get into a meditative state when they’re gardening and why that’s important is because if we never leave the reactive state and we sit in a state where we’re non reactive, I look at this as how we ever gonna clear space to create.

Dan Miller:

If we’re always reacting, if I can spend some time clearing to create, I’m actually way more productive than if I hadn’t done it. So we used to think, well, you’re sitting there doing nothing. You’re wasting time. I’m like, no, I’m creating time because I’m gonna be much more productive when I’m done. And there’s some great research out from the folks in California, that show, I believe they’ve got decades of research over there at DARPA and the flow genome project in Southern California. They’re looking at after a 20 minute session of what we would call alpha brainwaves or meditation that they’re getting on average five X productivity. That’s a 500% increase in productivity for about four hours after a 20 minute session of just sitting there doing nothing. So if you’re not gonna scuba dive or, or, or surf or ski every morning before work, maybe download one of those apps.

Dan Miller:

You’ve been hearing about like the insight timer. That’s my favorite meditation app, because it’s free and just hit play on a guided meditation just five minutes a day. And see if you don’t start performing better after 30 days of that. You, and if you look at that as a luxury folks, that’s, that was called hunting and gathering. When we lived outside, we did it every day. It was called hunting your meat. You had to be in the alpha brainwave state. You had to be fully focused. Now we just, you don’t have to. So we don’t go there.

Keith Wolf:

What I thought was really interesting in how you introduced meditation to our group, it’s just not always activity that you think it is, right. It’s not always just being quiet. It could just be something that, you know, your brain doesn’t have to really engage. And it could be, it could be cycling, probably not Peloton cause you’re paying attention, but it could be anything that’s sort of repetitive where you can kind of zone out. Right?

Dan Miller:

Yeah. Have you ever done a jigsaw puzzle with your kids?

Keith Wolf:

Yes. Yeah.

Dan Miller:

Right there. Because don’t look at the, or, or play monopoly. Right. Nobody’s looking at the time you’re looking at the game, you’re paying attention the game all of a sudden, oh my God, it’s been three hours. Yeah. Three hours just passed and you didn’t know it that’s called meditation. Yeah. Right. So it could be something as simple. I’ll tell you how to measure this. The, the sophisticated measurement. It’s so sophisticated. A lot of people aren’t gonna understand how sophisticated this is. Did you lose track of time doing something you love? That’s how you measure it. Yeah. That’s if you did that’s meditation,

Keith Wolf:

I just had a laugh. When you, when you said the kid park, because I have young kids, my kids are pretty young, so I, nothing really with them is truly zoning out. It’s a lot of screaming, crying but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan Miller:

With ice screaming cry all the time,

Keith Wolf:

But I get, I get the larger point. So let’s let’s, let’s chat about another area that there’s just so much different information. No one knows who to trust. It’s probably one of the, the Gett places you can go online and look for stuff and it’s oh, great supplements.

Dan Miller:

Yeah. So that industry sucks. Yeah. There’s no oversight at all. Yeah. So I, I believe I still have the link up on my website on the additional support page. There was, I think it was NBC years ago. They just went to a store and just, just pulled supplements off the shelf. All Willy nilly shoved them in a cart paid for those supplements, went back and tested them in a lab to see what’s in them. And they found in some of the supplements, there wasn’t even an active ingredient in the entire bottle. Hmm. And some of these things had so much contamination. If you were to over consume the supplement, that’s supposed to be healthy. You could have contamination problems in your body. So with no oversight, we have to be very, very careful of whose supplements we’re buying and, and how much we’re taking.

Dan Miller:

So I love lab door.com. They’re a fantastic website to go. It’s a D O O R lab door.com. And they’re an independent review site. That’s funded by angel investors. So there’s no way supplement companies can buy their way to the top of that list. And, and basically they just do a reverse analysis of all the supplements and then rank ’em and they give it a score. And if the, if you have a supplement that’s not on there who knows, right? Answers are, if you got it from your pharmacist, I, if it’s a pharmacy brand, right? Like I know like wellness works is a great brand that pharmacy sell standard process. You know, maybe someone’s got a, a natural path or a, or a functional medicine doc that sells standard process, great company, very well tested. Again, all of the really good supplements.

Dan Miller:

We’ll offer you up a certificate of analysis to show you here’s what’s in it. We have a third party verification. If a company doesn’t have that, probably stop buying their stuff, cuz it might not be exactly what you’re paying for. And there may even be harmful stuff in there. So I’d just be very, very careful. I tell people to be cautious all the time and you know, if people want guidance on that, I send a list, Keith, you’ve got my list. Here’s what I put in my body. Here’s what I put in my body every day because I vetted these companies. I know a bunch of the manufacturers. I know the, I know the CEOs of the companies because it takes a while for us to do some of that research. And if somebody’s like, I’m sick of looking labdoor.com. Does it all just go on there, find a, whatever, a multivitamin that they’ve ranked, that one that ranks high. And if it’s in your price point that you can afford, buy that one in a lot of their links, you can just buy that stuff on Amazon. So

Keith Wolf:

I don’t wanna get you in any, any trouble. So I won’t say the name, but those big retail stores have lots of locations. I mean, do people have to be, you know, leery, walking into one of those?

Dan Miller:

I, I, I just don’t do stuff in, in those kinds of operations. Yeah. Somebody that knows stuff that you trust. Yeah. And there guys, look, if there were 10,000 of me, that wouldn’t be enough. Yeah. So you can go to my website. That’s fine. If you have questions, you we’re gonna go over how to contact me. I don’t mind if few thousand people a month contact me and want help. But what you have to realize is you don’t need me. You just go to lab door, how they rank, but it’s always, he’s like, ah, I need a protein. What proteins better, man. That it’s tricky. Yeah. Is every protein manufacturer’s gonna say my protein’s better. And here’s why.

Keith Wolf:

Right. Right.

Dan Miller:

Is it? Yeah. What are you putting in it? What, what kinda stuff is in there? Do you have to sweeten the heck out of it to make it tasty? That’s where I tell people, look, if you need help with that, if you need help with a good protein powder, my buddy mark is a, a product formulation. He’s created one that I use. Let’s use that one. Not because I, I said so, but because Mark’s got a clean product and it tastes like melted ice cream. That’s why, and it’s super clean.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. Love it. Love it. Let’s let’s go to a few topics that I really don’t much about at all. And I think they sort of, you know, we talked about what do the athletes do? What do the billionaires do? Not a world class athlete, unfortunately I’m not a billionaire either. So you neither. Yeah, but you know, we can, we can learn from what some of these folks do have access to every resource, you know, around the world world. So let’s start with, you know, the hyperbaric chambers, you know, the therapy chambers, you know, it, it, we never know if these things are gimicks or really what the benefits are. And then just kind of thinking ahead, you know, stem cells and IV therapies. I mean, these sorts of things kind of talk of what the most cutting ed things that people are doing, whether it’s those three things or others.

Dan Miller:

Yeah. Well, so if I were to tell people here’s what’s next, right? If, if I were to look at what is coming, give, give us 20 years for the look, medicine moves almost as slow as government, right? I mean, we’re still in daylight savings time. We move our time forward and back because what happened in 1938, give me a break. It’s been almost a hundred years. You think we would’ve voted that out by now, but Nope. Haven’t well finally now in the house, right? Maybe yeah. Government moves, slow medicine moves just to slow there’s systems in the body that they discovered in 1990, that most medical schools still aren’t teaching about. So it’s a slow moving process. Here’s what’s coming and you’ll, we can look, I know Russia is in the news. Like everyone in Russia is horrible because of what’s happening in Ukraine. And, and I’m not gonna comment on politics, but I can tell you Russia’s been using hyperbaric oxygen for decades for multiple human disorders with great results, but we’re not here in the us yet.

Dan Miller:

So hyper back oxygen was discovered in the, in the early 18 hundreds, late 18 hundreds, when people would go deep sea diving before scuba diving, right? This was before self-contained apparatus when they were wearing the big diving helmets. And here’s how they discovered it. The guys that would cut themselves when they were diving, their wounds would heal so much faster than the guys up on deck. And that’s where the observation came from is why is that? Well, why are they healing so quickly? And the guys up here aren’t so when they started to look into what’s happening, it turns out extra oxygen is really good for you and can induce a couple of things that your body will do anyway. So it speeds the healing process by, but how, how is this happening? So more oxygen, it, we know oxygen creates oxidative load, right?

Dan Miller:

So it can become toxic, but it’s, it’s not so much. So to the healthy cells, they know what to do with it. Extra oxygen becomes hyperoxic for the non-healthy cells, for the Cesan cells, maybe even some of the early cancer cells that can’t deal with extra oxygen because that oxygen load will kill them again, healthy cells know what to do, weak cells don’t. So I give you a bunch of extra oxygen, cuz I put you at pressure and I do it. And that creates partial pressure difference differences in those tissues and those that are lacking oxygen, the body will read that partial pressure differential and say, I need more oxygen there. And it’ll induce something called angiogenesis where that the body actually regrows blood vessels into that area to get more oxygen there. And it does it faster when the, when the pressure changes between the two tissues.

Dan Miller:

So we increase partial pressure differences in tissues, and then all of a sudden angiogenesis is sped up, meaning more blood flow because I’m creating new micro blood vessels to the area. I also do the same kind of thing with neurons, more neurons area. So neurogenesis increases vascular ability to carry oxygen increases to tissues that need that oxygen angiogenesis increases. Inflammation goes down because again, weak cells are dying. So that lowers systemic inflammation in the long term, because I’m creating so much ative load in the short term. So hyperbaric oxygen, if you look at, I would probably guess about every single NFL player that’s that’s that you’ve heard of in the news, right? They probably have a hyperbaric chamber at home.

Keith Wolf:

So how, how accessible is this for the everyday person?

Dan Miller:

Yeah, not really yet because insurance doesn’t usually cover it. Insurance will cover hyperbaric if you’re advanced diabetic and you’ve got diabetic foot ulcers because they know it works to help heal those wounds. They’ll cover insurance. They’ll cover hyperbaric. If you are exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning they’ll cover hyperbaric. If you have skin grafts from systemic burns and you’re trying to heal the wounds from extreme burns, they’ll cover it for that. They won’t cover it for things like where I’ve seen some data. Now, again, I’m not a doctor, but I’ve met people that have had Parkinson’s nearly go away from having days and days in a row of hyperbaric. I’m not saying hyperbaric cures. Parkinson’s I’m saying let’s do look at some of the research that’s going on specifically in some of the other countries where this is standard of care. So there’s a lot of things that might be going wrong with humans where might be appropriate.

Dan Miller:

I like to use it a couple of weeks out of the year just because it’s kind of a good I look at it kind of like an oil change for the car, right? Let’s just get some new stuff in there in case somebody’s going wrong. That I can’t feel I’ll remind people that you can’t usually feel cancer until it’s too late. So, so maybe I go in there and create a bunch of oxidative chaos for a couple weeks in a row in case something was in there. And maybe I get it early or just to create some more blood flow to my fingertips because I ha I do have some, I have some damage from old, old, old carpal tunnel. I don’t have that anymore. I didn’t have surgeries or anything. I just stopped doing the thing. That was, it exacerbating that condition, but I did get some some blood flow issues from it.

Dan Miller:

So I go to add a little bit more blood flow to my fingers and get some more neurons in my brain. It’s, it’s super, super healthy. We were for about a year, we were working on a documentary that we, we ditched the project, but the documentary was specifically about how to heal the brain after traumatic trauma. So traumatic brain injury CTE, which is chronic traumatic encephalopathy, which is a, basically an advanced form of traumatic brain injury and concussion. And what hyperbaric can do for that. If you look at CTE and hyperbaric, fantastic data coming outta Lu, amazing data coming out of my friends over in research, triangle park ed over there owns exta Vita clinic. They they’re one of the most fascinating hyperbaric clinics in the country, in my opinion, because he has a 12 person chamber. So Keith, you don’t go in alone and feel a claustrophobic. You’re going with 10, 11 other people and a nurse.

Keith Wolf:

Oh, wow. Wow.

Dan Miller:

And if we all in there together, yeah, yeah, it’s fantastic. And that brings the price way down too, because a lot of folks that are having to do these treatments preemptively, or, or, or maybe post surgically, they’re doing it out of pocket. And rather than a one on one relationship with a provider where I might be paying 600 bucks of treatment, I think exta, Vita’s got it down to just less than $200 of treatment because they could 10 people in at a time world class facility, that’s, XTA in in RTP, beautiful, beautiful people.

Keith Wolf:

Got it. It, and just outta curiosity. So world class athletes putting it in their, in their house, what, what is something like that go for?

Dan Miller:

Well, so if I were to get one of the rubberized zip up ones that only goes to an atmosphere and a half, those are right around five to $10,000. They probably don’t have those or maybe they do, but the $30,000 units, the Kevlar units, $30,000 they’ll go all the way up to three atmospheres. And really when we look at therapeutic benefit, any difference is good, right? Any atmosphere, pressure is good because I’m gonna increase that, that partial pressure. But I like the two atmosphere two and a half atmosphere range because I think it’s far more therapeutic from the data I’ve been seeing from the folks that have been doing this for a while. So, but even a $5,000 zip up rubber unit. I, I don’t see any harm in having one at home. A lot of times we’ll need a, a physician probably to get that, oh, two to us. You might want to have a, a, some sort of a, a nurse or a physician helping you out with that thing. But the in home units are really, that’s the cost of a really nice sauna.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, either get the, the kitchen and bath done or, you know, just get a,

Dan Miller:

Get a Kevlar hyper. Yeah.

Keith Wolf:

Got it. Okay. All right. I mean, that’s a lot of money, but honestly I thought it, I thought it would be even more,

Dan Miller:

Really, really not that bad for some of those softer. I mean, even the Kevlar units are fairly soft. They’re moving around fairly easy. Yeah. Now, if you’re looking for one of those giant steel units, good luck, you know, you’re gonna have to take out a second mortgage for

Keith Wolf:

That. Gotcha. Gotcha. What about IV therapies and, you know, are they just for Las Vegas, just for, you know, the airport? I have a friend who owns a company that does that. And I always just thought, oh, that’s an interesting concept that I don’t really know what that does, but after hearing you talk, I went back to him and, you know, semi apologize, even though I, you know, just maybe I, I doubted this, you know, so tell, tell me, tell us about the benefits of IV there.

Dan Miller:

Well, everyone, everyone doubts it because they’re doing it in Vegas at the hotels, right? It’s for drunk people to get rehydrated. Well, guess what? It’s a great way to rehydrate, even if you’re not hungover the next day. So not only is a, a really fantastic way to just shov a bunch of extra hydration into your body very, very quickly, cuz it’s straight into the bloodstream. Think about this. If I can mainline nutrients that I might not be getting enough of like vitamin C. So here’s the deal. If, if, if you’re listening, you have a capacity on a daily basis to maybe shove in three grams of vitamin C a day through your mouth, maybe two and in more than that’s gonna end an extreme GI upset and you’re not gonna leave the bathroom for an hour or so. It’s just our GI system. Can’t handle too much vitamin C per day.

Dan Miller:

But if I shove it in your blood, I can get 20 grams in there in like an hour. Yeah. With a bunch of extra saline to, to help. Hyperhydrate you. So what I look at IV therapy for is getting a whole bunch of extra nutrients into the body very quickly, very safely, and with really no long term detriment at all, unless somebody’s on a prescription drug or a blood thinner where this is a horrible idea. That’s why most IV clinics will have a physician overseeing the process. And the nurses are there to oversee the process. So they’ve got medical staff because they’re gonna be shoving a needle in your body and leaving it there for a while. Even there’s even some systems out there that’ll come to your house and we do IV therapy in the home. Right. They’ll come deliver it. They’ll a nurse will come and they’ll shove bags in you while you’re watching Netflix for an hour.

Dan Miller:

Yeah. So I, I look at what we can do there. Right? I can get extra glutathione in your blood. It’s probably still not gonna go into the cells, but I can get it in the blood. Glutathione is the master antioxidant. I can get a bunch of a D in your body. That’s a molecule, your body’s mitochondria are gonna use to make energy. So I can give you a giant boost of cellular energy. I can give you a whole ton of vitamin C. There’s a bunch of nutrients that we can just Jack into your bloodstream. And it’s just comfortable. You get an IV in there. They put a couple of bags up on an IV hook and you just hang out and watch TV in a room.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah,

Dan Miller:

Yeah, yeah. Right. I like that as a, as a monthly or for some people, if they can afford it a biweekly let’s just go in and get a Myers cocktail. You guys can look up what’s in that bunch of vitamins, C a bunch of other minerals and nutrients Myers cocktail with a little Glu toy push. And, and maybe that helps somebody recover from an illness maybe that helps somebody not get sick in the first place. Maybe just helps ’em feel better. And it gives you more energy and let’s face it. When we have more energy, we tend to operate healthier than where we’re sick and lethargic. We tend to eat Doritos when we feel like that. Right. And reach for that comfort food versus, you know what I think I will have that at apple and go for a walk like dancing. Yeah. Good. Cause you have the energy to do it. So I like that monthly quarterly heck, even if you’re doing it once every six months, there’s benefit in that versus never, ever doing it at all.

Keith Wolf:

Gotcha. Gotcha.

Dan Miller:

And, and you guys, look, we don’t need this animal. Don’t need this dogs. Aren’t getting IVs in nature, but let’s face, it don’t live outside anymore. We live in an environment that’s fairly toxic, right? The EMF that’s all over the place from wifi and our phones and our computers and electricity and the from Meeh vapors that carpets release and the break dust from traffic in the city and the jet fuel exhaust from we’ve got toxins all around us. If you’re drinking out of a plastic bottle, good luck to you in your test testosterone because there’s entire volumes written about how that might be a long term issue. So to counter that, we sit down once a month and shove an IV in our body to counter some of what modern society is doing with this humans.

Keith Wolf:

Okay. All right. I’ll throw the bottles away. Quite a few of those

Dan Miller:

Got stainless steel man, stainless steel glass, get an all filter, reverse osmosis filter on you don’t need the fancy whatever the filters are called that give you alcohol and water. You don’t gotta, you don’t have to spend $5,000 on this. Just get a nice, simple RO filter get a stainless steel glass bottle and fill it yourself.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That’s fun. It’s funny. What you’re saying about the travel IV, so you have the same friend who that’s his, so he’s, they travel around and he says, he’s like, I can’t tell you the names, but every major athlete in Houston that you know of, we, we, we we go to their house and while they watch TV, they,

Dan Miller:

Them triple too, don’t they?

Keith Wolf:

Yeah, probably probably stem cells. I just wanna cover this one. And, and, you know, we, you’re being so generous with, with your time. And I so appreciate that stem cells, I, I don’t know if this was around when I got my shoulder surgery, but sort of wish it were. I would’ve probably tried a shot in my in my shoulder first. So talk to us about that. Kind of yeah. What it is for, for folks who don’t know,

Dan Miller:

I’ll go super basic here, right? We have cells in our body right now. A lot of ’em hiding in your pores of your skin that can become any ECE that your body asks them to become. So these are like, they’re you, but they’re not yet a liver cell. They’re a possible liver cell possible heart cell possible skin, cell possible, whatever. And your body, when it needs repair will send out a signal saying, send some stem cells. And then your body sends stem cells. They become whatever it needs to be a and then your body heals, right? We live in this beautiful self-healing machine way, more stem cells when we’re younger than when we’re older. So what we can find and what this is really Dr. Neil, Rearden I, the man’s amazing Dr. Neil Rearden wrote the definitive work on consumer for acing stem cell books.

Dan Miller:

So if you just look up stem cells and Dr. Neil, and then his name is R I O R D a N. I believe Dr. Neil Rearden you’ll find his book and he’s got a clinic offices in Dallas. And I believe his, one of his treatments facilities is still in Panama. And what basically what happens is if I can, if I can take some of your stem cells out, regrow a bunch more, and then shove them back, either into your joints locally or straight into your bloodstream so that they go systemically because I’m sending in so many extras, especially as we age your body has that much more ability to heal itself with stem cells. They pulled out of you and redrew, and then Jack jacked back into your bloodstream or straight into your shoulder. And the anecdotal evidence is huge.

Dan Miller:

The scientific evidence is, is fantastic to the point where right now, Keith, if you were to just Google stem cells, Houston, you’re gonna see so many therapeutic clinics for spine injuries, joints, shoulders, knees, where stem cells may be a more viable, less intrusive option than just replacing the whole joint. Yep. So what happens is if I’ve got a tear in one of my, let’s say it’s in my meniscus and, and a, a physician says, yeah, we can put stem cells in there that should heal up in about three months. They, they just put a needle with your own stem cells that they pulled out of you. They put it back in you, and then all of a sudden body just heals itself. And in some folks, it heals itself to the point where they don’t even realize they ever had the injury in the first place.

Dan Miller:

Wow. So I always tell my folks that are having hip issues, knee issues, and shoulder injuries. Look, before you let a surgeon cut you wide open and do weird stuff in there that may or may not work at least consult with a stem cell physician and see if stem cells or platelet rich plasma or exosomes. Maybe those are a viable option to see if they work first. That that may be a better option. But what I like about this is when people have systemic issues all over and the, and they walk out of Dr. Rein’s clinic after being wheeled in, in a wheelchair, I love those stories. Wow. Some of the work that he writes about in autism, in how stem cells in autism, the stories coming out of Dr. Rein’s clinics are just unbelievable. But again, this is one of the, those billionaires are doing it. Most people can’t afford it because it’s outta pocket insurance. In most cases, isn’t covering this stuff, especially for, you know, conditions where they just, they’re not going to cover it.

Keith Wolf:

Right. Right. So how much, how much is, is a shot? So you gotta, you gotta meniscus. You want to try this.

Dan Miller:

That’s gonna varied, but yeah. But really people need to prepare for anywhere between I’m sure. You know, it depends on if it’s a round of shots or if it’s a single treatment I’ve seen anywhere between five and $15,000 for a joint. Yeah. When people talking 25 to 35,000 for systemic stem cells with their trip down to Panama. Yeah. So it really depends. But what I would tell people to do is there’s a lot of things we might be able to look at before we just jump straight into yeah. Put me under, cut me open and let’s hope for the best. What if the self healing machine just needs a little nudge from something else first, maybe that’ll work better. And again, not a doctor, not telling people what to do. If you’re doctor says you need the surgery or are gonna die, Hey, listen to your doctor. But if it’s my shoulder’s killing me, I think I tore something. Maybe before you go in and have a surgery, you’ve talked to somebody that could do something less invasive with quite possibly less long term side effects. Maybe that works. And, and you, you know, these guys aren’t going to Jack you around. They’re not gonna say, yeah, let’s do it. Let’s see what happens if they can’t treat you, they’re gonna tell you. Yeah. That’s way beyond what we’re gonna be able to do. You need to go see a surgeon. Great. Right.

Keith Wolf:

Right.

Dan Miller:

At least that maybe what we’d consider a second opinion before you had somebody cut. You open nothing against my surgeon, friends. I, I love my surgeon, friends, and there’s a lot of people walking today because they’ve got new hips. But what if we could do something first that delayed the need for a surgery? Maybe if we delayed it 10 or 20 years.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. and I, and I anecdotally I know folks who just swear by this and have had it, and it’s just been a miracle for them. So definitely wanted to ask you about that for folks who hadn’t heard of it, just the, you know, the, the last thing is measuring, you know you’ve got an or ring, I’ve got an or ring. I, I love it. Tell, tell people how things should be, what should be measured, how to measure it. What’s the most important things. There’s, there’s a million different things, you know, people could look at, but what are the most important metrics?

Dan Miller:

Well, since this is a business podcast, Keith, let’s just go down the business route. We know this in business. If, if you’re in business and you know, business, here’s, here’s the rule. You cannot change it. If you cannot measure it, it’s how it works. So if you’re trying to something about your body, you cannot change it unless you can measure it. And what I tell people is stop. Always focusing on the output, right? Start focusing more on the input because that you can control. I can’t control always. I can’t always control what I weigh, but I can control what I eat. My weight is an output measurement. The food I consume is an input measurement. Now my steps, that’s an input measurement that I can control unless I’m sick or in the hospital, I get it. Then you can’t control it. But for the most part, you can control how many steps you take today.

Dan Miller:

You can control how, how many hours of sleep you get. You can control whether you sweat or not. So, what I tell people is if you fix the input, the output fixes itself, and I like watching the output, it’s still good to step on the scale every now and again, but I’d rather you check your photos, take a picture in front of the mirror, in the same underwear every Sunday, once a week, you don’t have to share ’em with people. You don’t have to post ’em on Facebook and be accountable. Be accountable to yourself. You see yourself in the mirror every day. You might not see the progress in the way you look in the body transformation. And part of that happens because muscle is about five times more dense than fat. So if I gain a pound of muscle and I lose a pound of fat, that transformation, isn’t gonna look good on the scale at all the number didn’t move.

Dan Miller:

But when I look in the mirror with five times less volume of fat in a pound of muscle to replace it, I’m going to look radically different. And that’s just one pound. Yeah. Imagine what happens in two years when it’s three or four pounds, it’s a giant difference. I mean, 20 times less, the volume that the pictures don’t lie and the body fat percentage on the scale doesn’t lie. So if you have a scale that does body fat percentage, let’s use those as output measurements. How do you look, maybe do actual measurements, right? Maybe measure your bicep, maybe measure your thighs, measure your or waist, measure your hips, measure your, your your chest area. Let’s see if those are shrinking, but the photos really are what we wanna look at. Take a picture, same position, same lighting, same time of day, same outfit. I always tell people, bikini or underwear, whatever you wanna wear do front inside.

Dan Miller:

You’re gonna be great every Sunday. No more than that. Trust me. It’s things don’t change that dramatically in seven days. So every seven days do that. And then daily measure your input because I promise you if you control the input, that output is gonna do exactly what you want. Yeah. Yeah. Input. How many hours did you sleep? How many steps did you get? And then yes or no, it’s a yes or no question. Did you eat plants and animals only? Yes or no. If you ate Oreos and a whole sleeve of them, you’re taking a no for the, okay. If you had steak and eggs for breakfast and steak and lobster for dinner with us side of asparagus, you get a big fat. Yes. For the day, let’s go. Right. And if I tell you what, if you look at that seven days at a time, the more yeses you have, the more health you should expect, those are the three primary basic inputs that everyone’s doing.

Dan Miller:

Anyway. I don’t have to ask for more time on that. Right? Right. I don’t sleep 10,000 steps. Yes. Or though on food, right? Those are all green all the time. You should expect weight loss to be a natural side effect of that. And you should expect more energy, better relationships, better productivity. And let me tell you, since we’re on a business podcast and you guys are doing recruiting, I will tell you something in my experience of working what, what we call a job for a lot of year when I hired people, I I’m gonna tell you, this is how humans work. If everything else is the same, about two people, I would always hire the one that looked fitter and healthier, always that’s. And, and those studies are well established. You can see the studies and pharmaceuticals on the performance of fit and healthy people versus those that aren’t as fit and healthy.

Dan Miller:

And again, I’m not being discriminatory. I’m telling you, that’s how my brain just naturally did things. Somebody was equally as qualified as somebody else fit and healthy people win. That’s how it works because that’s evolutionary science and humans fit and healthy people are who we wanna hang out. Mm. Does that mean safety for the tribe? It’s one of those weird animal things we have stuck with us. Yeah. So look, if you’re gonna be fit healthy, keep, keep good care of this machine. You only get one. Yeah. Yeah. The side effects of keeping good care of this machine is you might be more hireable and that’s amazing, right?

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. The I think you, you and Charles Barkley sort of have the same approach. So he said, if you don’t know, if you’re fat, just take your clothes off and go in front of the mirror. It’s like, you’ll know if you’re fat, you know, it’s just that simple. Right. So well, I, you know, I cannot thank you enough. I can’t thank you enough for doing this and, and being on here and you know, it, wasn’t only me that was affected, you know, when you, when you have a speaker, come speak to your company, you know how everybody listening knows how it is. Right. I mean, we, we, listen, you write notes, you have a couple takeaways. You’re very motivated. And then so a couple weeks pass, more weeks pass. And then what have you really implemented? It wasn’t just me. I, I asked after, I think it was about a month and a half after Dan spoke to our group and I asked our team, is there anything that you’ve implemented?

Keith Wolf:

I mean, just open ended, if you have just, just send me an email, almost every single person at the company responded with what they’ve done. Then I forward those to Dan. And so he, he could see those as, as well and see the, the effect that they that he’d had for me personally just to come back to that you know, I, I guess, you know, one of my friends called me, he, he, he said you’ve been looking pretty dumpy. I think that was probably the best way to describe it. Wasn’t that I’m, you know, it’s obvious that I need to lose weight or anything like that, but just for me, pretty dumpy. And I’d say I’ve probably been dumpy for about a decade. I’d say probably about a decade of bumpiness. So, you know, I, I, I exercise a lot that wasn’t working six days of cardio that wasn’t working.

Keith Wolf:

But when, what you said about the fact that we don’t always need to eat, I mean, that resonated with me because how many times do we all eat when we’re not hungry? It’s just out of habit. You know, when we had you at the kickoff and there were muffins everywhere, there was nothing healthy there. And you said, you know what, I’m just not gonna eat. Cuz I don’t need eat. I could just wait to find something healthy that, that resonated with me. So, you know, I tried intermittent fasting that the schedule that you’re talking about sort of one, one to eight is your schedule. And I, I played with that 12 to seven or all that kind of stuff that didn’t work for me either because it is not really natural for me. So what works for me. And again, this might not work for anybody else.

Keith Wolf:

I have an egg in the morning and I don’t eat again until dinner. I just don’t eat during the day. And I don’t eat during the day because I don’t really need eat during the day. I, I haven’t eaten today. It’s almost four o’clock here and I don’t need to because when I eat a big lunch, I just, it, I just go off the rails, you know? And, and I just, if I eat breakfast, I go off the rails. And so I just start eating too much and I get sluggish and all that kind of stuff. This works for me. I can and still eat dinner and then afterwards have popcorn and binge a little bit. And really I’m still within my window. So yeah, that’s been super easy for me. Like I said, I I’ve dropped 20 pounds without really even thinking about it.

Keith Wolf:

I’ve, I’m doing actually less cardio than I was before. So I’m doing weights and stuff. I’m doing cardio too, but not quite as fanatically as I, as I was. So just, you know, something for folks to think about more, not necessarily to follow what I’m doing, but follow up, you know, works for your lifestyle and, and you, for me, I eat late at night and that works for me cuz I’ve always been a late night eater. And so now I can still do that. I don’t need to eat during the day. So that’s my still,

Dan Miller:

So we feeding window, which is, which is funny because it kind of crosses over a boundary and it’s late night to early morning. Whereas most people like, like me, we start in the afternoon and then, and you know, right around seven, what I would just counsel people that are listening to that is if you do this a, a shortened feeding window and you do pay attention to just eating less food, maybe consider where your micronutrient levels at are you getting all the minerals and, and all of the micronutrients that your body needs. And if you don’t think you are, it is pretty safe to pick up a whole food micronutrient supplement like garden of life’s raw one. They make a great one a day supplement with tons of micronutrients. And it’s basically just dehydrated food in a pill. So it’s not a bunch of synthetics combined together. It’s, it’s a whole food vitamin supplement to assist in the gaps that might be being left because you shortened the amount of food that you’re eating and do a smaller window and then just naturally eating less.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. Yeah. And, and I dunno if you recall, I sent you a text when I started doing this and just asked you, is this okay? Am I doing, and, and you said that you, and that’s what you told me, as long as, you know, you’re tracking your macros and getting what you need in that window, then, then you should be okay. So again if you’re, if you’re watching this, you know, two months from now and I balloon, you know, doubled in size and forget everything I just said, but hopefully

Dan Miller:

You guys, here’s the thing, none of this is temporary. Yeah. Just keep doing, just eat healthy, move lots, get good sleep. Yeah. Like really it’s not, it’s not a T we don’t do that until we get to a point. We do that so that we get to a point and that point for me is 130 years old. So yeah. They’ll watch me balloon up at a hundred and twenty nine, seven, five years old. Cause it won’t care.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah, exactly. Quarter

Dan Miller:

Of a year to go let’s face it. I’m not gonna talk that gravelly. But yeah. So, I mean, there’s no ballooning up for anyone that’s on this program cuz it’s not a temporary program to get weight loss. It’s a long term strategy to live a better life.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. Yeah. No. Well, well put what is the best way for folks to reach out to you where people can find more information, get links to some of the different products that you vetted? Where, where can they go call

Dan Miller:

My cell phone directly? I’m kidding. Don’t you

Keith Wolf:

Gonna say?

Dan Miller:

Just, just my website, Dan Miller, wellness.com, easy peasy. I’ve got some stuff on there and if the stuff you wanna hear or see isn’t on there, there’s contact pages all over that website. Those emails go to my team and, and the, the really awesome ones that they can’t answer. I answer personally. So Dan Miller, wellness.com. That’s got all my social links, LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram. Those are all on there. I am not on Twitter. Don’t look, I don’t, I don’t like that platform. I will shortly be on mines. That is a, that is a brilliant new social platform. That’ll be up very, very soon, but yeah, just Dan Miller, wellness.com.

Keith Wolf:

I didn’t hear TikTok. Did you say TikTok?

Dan Miller:

No, not TikTok.

Keith Wolf:

Okay. Okay. I was making sure

Dan Miller:

My clients are, are 50 year old executives. They’re not on TikTok.

Keith Wolf:

They’re they’re not TikTok.

Dan Miller:

Their grandkids are, but yeah.

Keith Wolf:

Yeah. All right. Well, well, perfect. Again, thank you so much, which I know we went way longer than, than than you budgeted for. So I appreciate that. And thank you for being so generous with your time and thank you for everyone watching, listening. If you’ve missed any past episodes, again, go to my one live podcast.com and we will see you soon. Thanks again.

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